People like Democratic ideas. They don't like Progressive ones.
And this election showed it.
It would be nice if Progressives got the idea, but they haven't. Everything we have been reading indicates that Progressives believe they would have won if they had only been able to convince "low information" voters about how "right" they are.
So, Democrats will continue to lose. Until they boot Progressives out of the party.
I think it really depends on the issue and the packaging. For example, voters approved minimum wage hikes and paid sick leave initiatives in red states like Missouri, which I would consider quite progressive, yet still voted for Republicans. But some of the identitarian stuff and tolerant of crime issues seems to be quite polarizing and generally unpopular.
Twirling: We completely disagree. Those are positions of Democrats, and always have been. FIGHTING for workers to get fair wages and benefits. Progressives are into culture wars.....but take credit for Democratic ideas when it's convenient.
Maybe, maybe not. As a roughly center/center-left person similar to the writers of this Substack, the GOP is not an option. Maybe in a world where the GOP is still the party of John McCain and Mitt Romney, it might be a different story, but that's not the world we live in.
The challenge for Democrats is that if they are not part of the radical left, they are in fealty with the Wall Street globalist corporatist cabal that is their donor class (used to be for the GOP, but that changed). If they are part of the former, they are toxic to the sentiments of regular Americans and minorities that hold more traditional conservative family values. If they are part of the latter, they are anti-working class in their policy support.
So Democrats would have to jettison both to appeal to the working class normies. And that means the Democrats would have to become Trump.
The further left the Democrats have pulled the party, the more attractive are those so called moderate Democrats... that by the way... tended to approve every Democrat policy and legislative action even those demanded by the radical left side of the Democrat party.
The problem the moderates have, if not new, is that they have the forever stain of voting fealty with the radical side. That is campaign fodder to keep hitting them. Only if the radical left stays in control of the Democrat party platform will these other so called moderate Democrats get attention.
In general the Democrats are going to have to clean house completely.
"They’re incumbents because they aren’t afraid to appeal across the aisle and win over Trump voters." -- Nate Moore
The real test of this "Blue Dog Blueprint" will come when Donald Trump takes office and these re-elected Democrats have to choose between major parts of the Trump election mandate and their own party's obscure if not roundly rejected agenda.
So where, for example, will these Democrats come down on the coming fight over welcoming immigrants the old-fashioned way --l egally through the front door and properly vetted?
Where will they come down on fiscal accountability and cutting the proven waste under past Democratic and Republican administrations?
Or on the incoming President's choices of cabinet leaders to achieve his popular campaign promises?
This will also be a test of Donald Trump's political charisma and negotiating skills. He can reach out to moderate House and Senate Democrats to build a larger coalition to achieve the goals he campaigned on. Or, if he really wishes to alarm his political detractors, Trump can extend an olive branch to these Blue Dogs to switch political parties and join his popular crusade.
That's the thing. Trump is not popular. He couldn't even win a majority of the popular vote against the VP of a very unpopular administration.
Trump will do some good things that will be easy to support, but he'll also do plenty of things that will be easy for not only moderate Democrats to oppose, but also his fellow Republicans.
He hasn't even been inaugurated yet and he's already tried to nominate a pedophile to AG and angry alcoholic to SecDef, farmers are nervous about his tariffs and immigration policy, and steelworkers are mad about his opposition to the Nippon-US Steel deal.
It's easy peasy.
People like Democratic ideas. They don't like Progressive ones.
And this election showed it.
It would be nice if Progressives got the idea, but they haven't. Everything we have been reading indicates that Progressives believe they would have won if they had only been able to convince "low information" voters about how "right" they are.
So, Democrats will continue to lose. Until they boot Progressives out of the party.
I think it really depends on the issue and the packaging. For example, voters approved minimum wage hikes and paid sick leave initiatives in red states like Missouri, which I would consider quite progressive, yet still voted for Republicans. But some of the identitarian stuff and tolerant of crime issues seems to be quite polarizing and generally unpopular.
Twirling: We completely disagree. Those are positions of Democrats, and always have been. FIGHTING for workers to get fair wages and benefits. Progressives are into culture wars.....but take credit for Democratic ideas when it's convenient.
I guess that's kind of my point, you have to be specific, otherwise "Progressive" just becomes "things I don't like."
https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-progressive-moment-is-over?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
The shortness of your list compared to the universe of Democrats running is the real story here. It isn't your party any more.
Maybe, maybe not. As a roughly center/center-left person similar to the writers of this Substack, the GOP is not an option. Maybe in a world where the GOP is still the party of John McCain and Mitt Romney, it might be a different story, but that's not the world we live in.
There is no compromise between your party and that of Romney . Vance, maybe.
Why do you assume to know my political views when I've barely said anything about them?
Whatever they are it's not Trump. Democrats and GOPe are all the same.
The challenge for Democrats is that if they are not part of the radical left, they are in fealty with the Wall Street globalist corporatist cabal that is their donor class (used to be for the GOP, but that changed). If they are part of the former, they are toxic to the sentiments of regular Americans and minorities that hold more traditional conservative family values. If they are part of the latter, they are anti-working class in their policy support.
So Democrats would have to jettison both to appeal to the working class normies. And that means the Democrats would have to become Trump.
The further left the Democrats have pulled the party, the more attractive are those so called moderate Democrats... that by the way... tended to approve every Democrat policy and legislative action even those demanded by the radical left side of the Democrat party.
The problem the moderates have, if not new, is that they have the forever stain of voting fealty with the radical side. That is campaign fodder to keep hitting them. Only if the radical left stays in control of the Democrat party platform will these other so called moderate Democrats get attention.
In general the Democrats are going to have to clean house completely.
"They’re incumbents because they aren’t afraid to appeal across the aisle and win over Trump voters." -- Nate Moore
The real test of this "Blue Dog Blueprint" will come when Donald Trump takes office and these re-elected Democrats have to choose between major parts of the Trump election mandate and their own party's obscure if not roundly rejected agenda.
So where, for example, will these Democrats come down on the coming fight over welcoming immigrants the old-fashioned way --l egally through the front door and properly vetted?
Where will they come down on fiscal accountability and cutting the proven waste under past Democratic and Republican administrations?
Or on the incoming President's choices of cabinet leaders to achieve his popular campaign promises?
This will also be a test of Donald Trump's political charisma and negotiating skills. He can reach out to moderate House and Senate Democrats to build a larger coalition to achieve the goals he campaigned on. Or, if he really wishes to alarm his political detractors, Trump can extend an olive branch to these Blue Dogs to switch political parties and join his popular crusade.
That's the thing. Trump is not popular. He couldn't even win a majority of the popular vote against the VP of a very unpopular administration.
Trump will do some good things that will be easy to support, but he'll also do plenty of things that will be easy for not only moderate Democrats to oppose, but also his fellow Republicans.
He hasn't even been inaugurated yet and he's already tried to nominate a pedophile to AG and angry alcoholic to SecDef, farmers are nervous about his tariffs and immigration policy, and steelworkers are mad about his opposition to the Nippon-US Steel deal.
If Dems want to run a woman, they should run Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. She is absolutely awesome. Matt Cartwright has really cool name. 😎