Agree with this analysis. Most south Asians are culturally conservative. They are hard working and pay taxes. Often they are working hard to earn $20 or $30 an hour. They see huge numbers of illegals coming into American cities and receiving government money, free housing, free healthcare in some states, publica education for their non English speaking children. This doesn't make sense to anyone besides Democrat strategists who believed that more immigration would create more democrat voters. Oops.
Well, I have been ahead of these arguments for almost a year now, stating in June that Trump would win 312 EVs, win the popular vote, etc. At the time, I was looking mostly at voter reg statistics---as you mostly do here with Indian Americans.
I have shifted a little to real-world MASSIVE demographic change, i.e., VA is losing thousands upon thousands of Democrats---if not now, within the year. The DOGE firings are absolutely ripping through DC and are seen in the home offerings, which are up DOUBLE over the previous month, the Google searches for "layers" "bleachbit," "offshore banks," and the like. No, this is NOT an urban legend. Home prices in the Fairfax/southern MD area are already down a median of $139,000. By the time all of these fired former fed employees leave, VA will be an absolute tossup state to go along with NJ and NH.
But there's more bad news for Democrats: the so-far slow round up of illegals and deportations will accelerate. When it does, TENS of thousands of Democrat "voters" are going to disappear. It's almost like the angel of death sweeping through Egypt, taking only one group and leaving the other. But this is what happens when a party becomes extremely reliant on fed employees and illegals as core elements of their voter constituency.
If the economy improves at all, which it will merely by the introduction of the Trump energy policies, 2026 could be a serious bloodbath for Democrats.
Nah, this is a naive view--there will be a recession by 2028. Inflation isn't slowing down, and the bond market is signaling long-term monetary tightening at the same time prices are going up, which means higher interest rates in the future--and we won't make it through another uptick in interest rates unscathed. Trump's going to run huge deficits to fund his tax cuts, and his tariffs aren't going to do what he promised, which will mean he gets stuck with the blame, too. The elevated unemployment (possibly stagflationary) will remind people that Trump isn't--and never was--very good at economic management.
There will continue to be more 'DeepSeek' Sputnik moments, too, and in four years the sheer idiocy of the decision to cede Eastern Europe to a Xi-Putin axis will give the Democrats their opening. Americans won't stick with MAGA protectionism/isolationism as soon as it becomes clear it can't win the great power rivalry against the Chinese--who are already busy staking claim to all the global influence we're giving up by turning inward--because Americans simply cannot tolerate the existence of a rising power we cannot control.
I don't know how much Indian-Americans partake of Old Country media but those outlets are distinctly interested in the Indian ancestry politicians here. Though not a politician herself, there is also a lot of interest in Usha Vance. I tend to read Indian media a lot because it pushes an India-centric narrative and is different from the Left and Right narratives in the West. It helps that a lot of it is in English.
As long as Democrats demand everyone believe that there are more than two genders, and that mortals can transcend the laws of nature and become another sex, they will remain a fringe party. This is not a universal truth, and yes intersex people exist. Mother, freedom and god may be the most universally sacred words in every language. If you mess with fundamental truths that have existed since the dawn of time, you will lose. You cannot legislate "belief" into law. Especially beliefs that are false. Like males being able to magically morph into females and should then enjoy all the benefits of women's rights. Losing belief.
"You cannot legislate "belief" into law. Especially beliefs that are false."
Both parties are hostage to this. MAGA will be reminded of it soon in regards to tariffs, when the industrial supply lines that criss-cross the Canada-American and Mexico-American border are disrupted, destabilizing its industries in turn, and they have to re-learn that the U.S. does not have export markets (courtesy of owning the reserve currency) and you can't magically make them appear with tariffs, no matter how stiff.
No crystal ball required, knowing a bit about the American economy is all you need. (Looking at how tariffs have worked in other developed countries with reserve currencies helps)
But hey, who knows—you said ‘god’ is the most universally sacred word in every language. Tomorrow the *gods* of Hinduism may leap out of the ether and smite you for the heresy of not using a plural noun instead. You can’t be sure it won’t happen—you don’t have a crystal ball, correct? (Not making a theological point here, just reminding you that no matter how much evidence you or I have for the truth of anything, or how much we think we know, we are all always subject to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightian_uncertainty)
No, they don't--truly terrible choice for a metaphor, there. Endorheic rivers never reach the sea; many rivers terminate in lakes and tributaries and underground reservoirs; others evaporate during the dry season and return in the wet season--and for the major rivers that do reach the sea, they spill into an ocean that has seven vastly different biomes. 16 if you count the smaller subdivisions. And none of that, dear colleague, has anything to do with the fundamental uncertainty of the universe both you and I are subject to that makes the question "got a crystal ball?" functionally meaningless.
Being a democrat, trained in science, my belief in science pronouncements are not just based on tribal affiliation. I check data, and I do proportions. There is no such thing as critical thinking if you haven't done a proportion. Note that "critical thinking lessons" typically omit the use of numbers, instead teaching people to compare the Ph.D. status of professionals making pronouncements.
A bunch of the SE Indians I know are doctors or scientists. So they have a hard time with the weird anti-science positions of "Democrats for Pfizer" vs Republican's for "Let doctors be doctors". They know India used the cheap safe drug that starts with the letter I to treat COVID with WHO approbation... yet no one knows that in America due to nasty censorship. Although every big paper and news outlet covered India's success with the outpatient treatment pill packs, as certified by WHO, no paper covered the salient detail-- what drugs were in the pill pack? Because Americans, with 5% of the population, provide 70% of the WORLD REVENUE to big pharma- so it's very critical that American's be kept ignorant of cost-effective medicine the rest of the world is using.
Meanwhile USA has been the last country in the world to recommend mRNA treatment to babies. In Germany you need to be 65. In Switzerland you can't get it without a doctor's order. There is no credible research or logic behind giving drugs with not-uncommon side effects to babies. Never been tested. Causes myocarditis, very probably at greater rates than preventing a dangerous case of COVID. Can't say for sure, because the data is absent-- but we SHOULD have the data. FDA told us we could have the safety trail raw data after 75 years--- the bureaucrat's polite way of saying "You can have safety data over My dead body!".
So SE Indian's know that the secular religion on the Left is killing people by mistreating COVID, that would have survived with Indian health care.
If the socioeconomic conditions in India -- of which healthcare is an important component -- are so wonderful, then why are so many Indians moving here? I will note that most are highly educated and productive, although not necessarily all of the members of their families who accompany them.
I am opposed to the current (if diminishing) high levels of immigration from ANYWHERE. That is based not on "racism," but of my "selfish" realization that immigration is driving U.S. population growth, and that the long-term consequence of that will be a decline in the quality of life -- especially for those of us U.S. citizens who are already here, and our descendants. That incorporates both economic and environmental considerations too numerous to mention here.
But it ought to be obvious that a major reason why India overall is still so poor is that it is grossly overpopulated. It also has been fraught with cultural and religious divisions over the centuries which, for example, allowed it to be subjugated by a much smaller, distant country -- Great Britain.
I don't want the U.S. to become more like India. We can mutually improve our quality of life by commercial and cultural ties that don't require the U.S. to be an "escape hatch" for India's excessive population.
1) South Asian is not the same as Indian. The region comprises India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.
2) Indians are not a monolithic bloc - not in India, and certainly not in the US. On top of differences of regional origin, there's sharp religious differences between Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, and other sects.
3) Why would birthright citizenship disproportionately affect Indian-Americans? If the proposed change is to eliminate birthright citizenship for children born to people in the US illegally, how does that affect the vast majority of Indians citizens who are in the US legally? One can argue that a person with an H1-B visa and a green card, for example, has become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Another area with very high Indian-Asian American growth and population is eastern Loudoun County, Virginia, America's wealthiest county. Its Member of Congress, Suhas Subramayem, was just elected, although with a narrower margin than many expected. However, in the areas where they seem to concentrate, two recent special elections for state legislature show no sign of erosion of their support for Democrats.
The wealth of Loudon County is attributable to its economy being based on spending by the federal government on its own higher level employees as well as the plethora of private sector firms dependent on federal spending. While I am not as reflexively opposed to all federal spending as some people, I also recognize why it is driven to extremes by Democrats with a vested interest in it, like many of the voters in Loudon County of whatever ethnic group.
There is truth in that, given the number of "beltway bandit" consulting firms and companies including Google, Amazon Web Services, Microsoft and others that do a lot of work with, but not exclusively, the federal government.
I think that it is simplistic to refer to the companies doing business with the federal government as "bandits." In most cases, they are providing useful services and perhaps doing so more efficiently than would be possible if the work were done "in house" by federal employees.
The appropriate question is which of these services should be provided by government at taxpayer expense. Too large a population dependent on government programs creates a bias favoring excessive expenditures by government that tends to snowball.
islamophobia is very common in India. It is one of the driving forces behind Modi‘s popularity. not the only force because, unlike Trump, Modi is a skillful administrator, and has done a lot of good things for India. But it’s not surprising that a lot of people drawn to Modi would also like Trump.
This is very interesting; however, it seems to omit an important aspect. Earlier Indian immigration was largely high-caste and highly educated Indians from urban and professional backgrounds. As time has gone on, Indian immigration has become progressively more "vernacular" in its composition, more Modi and less Nehru, if you want an analogy. That certainly has something to do with the willingness to accept the crude appeals of Trumpism. The earlier-phase Indian immigrants and their children still remain reluctant to vote for Trump, or do so only with their noses held.
I agree. Any discussion of Indian voting preferences needs to have some way of weaving in caste identification. Although the caste system is supposedly gone, it still seems to have influence somehow.
And yet some fundiegelical in Trump's camp called the South Asian woman who gave an invocation at the Republican convention in traditional attire a "witch." Some "big tent" they've got going there.
Oh please. Tell us all about the Dem big tent, the one that includes pro-lifers, people who believe men can't be women, border walls, and those who are against fraud, waste, and abuse.
Agree with this analysis. Most south Asians are culturally conservative. They are hard working and pay taxes. Often they are working hard to earn $20 or $30 an hour. They see huge numbers of illegals coming into American cities and receiving government money, free housing, free healthcare in some states, publica education for their non English speaking children. This doesn't make sense to anyone besides Democrat strategists who believed that more immigration would create more democrat voters. Oops.
Well, I have been ahead of these arguments for almost a year now, stating in June that Trump would win 312 EVs, win the popular vote, etc. At the time, I was looking mostly at voter reg statistics---as you mostly do here with Indian Americans.
I have shifted a little to real-world MASSIVE demographic change, i.e., VA is losing thousands upon thousands of Democrats---if not now, within the year. The DOGE firings are absolutely ripping through DC and are seen in the home offerings, which are up DOUBLE over the previous month, the Google searches for "layers" "bleachbit," "offshore banks," and the like. No, this is NOT an urban legend. Home prices in the Fairfax/southern MD area are already down a median of $139,000. By the time all of these fired former fed employees leave, VA will be an absolute tossup state to go along with NJ and NH.
But there's more bad news for Democrats: the so-far slow round up of illegals and deportations will accelerate. When it does, TENS of thousands of Democrat "voters" are going to disappear. It's almost like the angel of death sweeping through Egypt, taking only one group and leaving the other. But this is what happens when a party becomes extremely reliant on fed employees and illegals as core elements of their voter constituency.
If the economy improves at all, which it will merely by the introduction of the Trump energy policies, 2026 could be a serious bloodbath for Democrats.
YAY! I'll get the popped corn. They deserve to lose. They abandoned democracy.
Nah, this is a naive view--there will be a recession by 2028. Inflation isn't slowing down, and the bond market is signaling long-term monetary tightening at the same time prices are going up, which means higher interest rates in the future--and we won't make it through another uptick in interest rates unscathed. Trump's going to run huge deficits to fund his tax cuts, and his tariffs aren't going to do what he promised, which will mean he gets stuck with the blame, too. The elevated unemployment (possibly stagflationary) will remind people that Trump isn't--and never was--very good at economic management.
There will continue to be more 'DeepSeek' Sputnik moments, too, and in four years the sheer idiocy of the decision to cede Eastern Europe to a Xi-Putin axis will give the Democrats their opening. Americans won't stick with MAGA protectionism/isolationism as soon as it becomes clear it can't win the great power rivalry against the Chinese--who are already busy staking claim to all the global influence we're giving up by turning inward--because Americans simply cannot tolerate the existence of a rising power we cannot control.
I don't know how much Indian-Americans partake of Old Country media but those outlets are distinctly interested in the Indian ancestry politicians here. Though not a politician herself, there is also a lot of interest in Usha Vance. I tend to read Indian media a lot because it pushes an India-centric narrative and is different from the Left and Right narratives in the West. It helps that a lot of it is in English.
As long as Democrats demand everyone believe that there are more than two genders, and that mortals can transcend the laws of nature and become another sex, they will remain a fringe party. This is not a universal truth, and yes intersex people exist. Mother, freedom and god may be the most universally sacred words in every language. If you mess with fundamental truths that have existed since the dawn of time, you will lose. You cannot legislate "belief" into law. Especially beliefs that are false. Like males being able to magically morph into females and should then enjoy all the benefits of women's rights. Losing belief.
"You cannot legislate "belief" into law. Especially beliefs that are false."
Both parties are hostage to this. MAGA will be reminded of it soon in regards to tariffs, when the industrial supply lines that criss-cross the Canada-American and Mexico-American border are disrupted, destabilizing its industries in turn, and they have to re-learn that the U.S. does not have export markets (courtesy of owning the reserve currency) and you can't magically make them appear with tariffs, no matter how stiff.
Cool. You have a crystal ball?
No crystal ball required, knowing a bit about the American economy is all you need. (Looking at how tariffs have worked in other developed countries with reserve currencies helps)
But hey, who knows—you said ‘god’ is the most universally sacred word in every language. Tomorrow the *gods* of Hinduism may leap out of the ether and smite you for the heresy of not using a plural noun instead. You can’t be sure it won’t happen—you don’t have a crystal ball, correct? (Not making a theological point here, just reminding you that no matter how much evidence you or I have for the truth of anything, or how much we think we know, we are all always subject to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightian_uncertainty)
There’s only one god. All rivers lead to the sea.
No, they don't--truly terrible choice for a metaphor, there. Endorheic rivers never reach the sea; many rivers terminate in lakes and tributaries and underground reservoirs; others evaporate during the dry season and return in the wet season--and for the major rivers that do reach the sea, they spill into an ocean that has seven vastly different biomes. 16 if you count the smaller subdivisions. And none of that, dear colleague, has anything to do with the fundamental uncertainty of the universe both you and I are subject to that makes the question "got a crystal ball?" functionally meaningless.
Metaphors are not literal. Besides my crystal ball said it was true.
Being a democrat, trained in science, my belief in science pronouncements are not just based on tribal affiliation. I check data, and I do proportions. There is no such thing as critical thinking if you haven't done a proportion. Note that "critical thinking lessons" typically omit the use of numbers, instead teaching people to compare the Ph.D. status of professionals making pronouncements.
A bunch of the SE Indians I know are doctors or scientists. So they have a hard time with the weird anti-science positions of "Democrats for Pfizer" vs Republican's for "Let doctors be doctors". They know India used the cheap safe drug that starts with the letter I to treat COVID with WHO approbation... yet no one knows that in America due to nasty censorship. Although every big paper and news outlet covered India's success with the outpatient treatment pill packs, as certified by WHO, no paper covered the salient detail-- what drugs were in the pill pack? Because Americans, with 5% of the population, provide 70% of the WORLD REVENUE to big pharma- so it's very critical that American's be kept ignorant of cost-effective medicine the rest of the world is using.
Meanwhile USA has been the last country in the world to recommend mRNA treatment to babies. In Germany you need to be 65. In Switzerland you can't get it without a doctor's order. There is no credible research or logic behind giving drugs with not-uncommon side effects to babies. Never been tested. Causes myocarditis, very probably at greater rates than preventing a dangerous case of COVID. Can't say for sure, because the data is absent-- but we SHOULD have the data. FDA told us we could have the safety trail raw data after 75 years--- the bureaucrat's polite way of saying "You can have safety data over My dead body!".
So SE Indian's know that the secular religion on the Left is killing people by mistreating COVID, that would have survived with Indian health care.
Here's my "take" on the bigger picture.
If the socioeconomic conditions in India -- of which healthcare is an important component -- are so wonderful, then why are so many Indians moving here? I will note that most are highly educated and productive, although not necessarily all of the members of their families who accompany them.
I am opposed to the current (if diminishing) high levels of immigration from ANYWHERE. That is based not on "racism," but of my "selfish" realization that immigration is driving U.S. population growth, and that the long-term consequence of that will be a decline in the quality of life -- especially for those of us U.S. citizens who are already here, and our descendants. That incorporates both economic and environmental considerations too numerous to mention here.
But it ought to be obvious that a major reason why India overall is still so poor is that it is grossly overpopulated. It also has been fraught with cultural and religious divisions over the centuries which, for example, allowed it to be subjugated by a much smaller, distant country -- Great Britain.
I don't want the U.S. to become more like India. We can mutually improve our quality of life by commercial and cultural ties that don't require the U.S. to be an "escape hatch" for India's excessive population.
1) South Asian is not the same as Indian. The region comprises India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.
2) Indians are not a monolithic bloc - not in India, and certainly not in the US. On top of differences of regional origin, there's sharp religious differences between Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, and other sects.
3) Why would birthright citizenship disproportionately affect Indian-Americans? If the proposed change is to eliminate birthright citizenship for children born to people in the US illegally, how does that affect the vast majority of Indians citizens who are in the US legally? One can argue that a person with an H1-B visa and a green card, for example, has become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Another area with very high Indian-Asian American growth and population is eastern Loudoun County, Virginia, America's wealthiest county. Its Member of Congress, Suhas Subramayem, was just elected, although with a narrower margin than many expected. However, in the areas where they seem to concentrate, two recent special elections for state legislature show no sign of erosion of their support for Democrats.
The wealth of Loudon County is attributable to its economy being based on spending by the federal government on its own higher level employees as well as the plethora of private sector firms dependent on federal spending. While I am not as reflexively opposed to all federal spending as some people, I also recognize why it is driven to extremes by Democrats with a vested interest in it, like many of the voters in Loudon County of whatever ethnic group.
There is truth in that, given the number of "beltway bandit" consulting firms and companies including Google, Amazon Web Services, Microsoft and others that do a lot of work with, but not exclusively, the federal government.
I think that it is simplistic to refer to the companies doing business with the federal government as "bandits." In most cases, they are providing useful services and perhaps doing so more efficiently than would be possible if the work were done "in house" by federal employees.
The appropriate question is which of these services should be provided by government at taxpayer expense. Too large a population dependent on government programs creates a bias favoring excessive expenditures by government that tends to snowball.
No need to be defensive. The "bandit" term has been used for decades. I live and work among them, so I know what they do well (and not so well).
islamophobia is very common in India. It is one of the driving forces behind Modi‘s popularity. not the only force because, unlike Trump, Modi is a skillful administrator, and has done a lot of good things for India. But it’s not surprising that a lot of people drawn to Modi would also like Trump.
This is very interesting; however, it seems to omit an important aspect. Earlier Indian immigration was largely high-caste and highly educated Indians from urban and professional backgrounds. As time has gone on, Indian immigration has become progressively more "vernacular" in its composition, more Modi and less Nehru, if you want an analogy. That certainly has something to do with the willingness to accept the crude appeals of Trumpism. The earlier-phase Indian immigrants and their children still remain reluctant to vote for Trump, or do so only with their noses held.
I agree. Any discussion of Indian voting preferences needs to have some way of weaving in caste identification. Although the caste system is supposedly gone, it still seems to have influence somehow.
And yet some fundiegelical in Trump's camp called the South Asian woman who gave an invocation at the Republican convention in traditional attire a "witch." Some "big tent" they've got going there.
Oh please. Tell us all about the Dem big tent, the one that includes pro-lifers, people who believe men can't be women, border walls, and those who are against fraud, waste, and abuse.
Do you know what nut-picking is?